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Above the Fog is a podcast about celebrating our shared humanity. Grace Cathedral is an Episcopal church and a place of spiritual practice, social justice and the arts, and we created Above the Fog to share the voices and stories of people building a more just and loving world.
Season 2: Bridges (2020)
Could you use a healing salve for your head and your heart in this moment?
Bridges is our theme for season two, and every Sunday and Thursday through election day your host Jen Chien will bring you people creating inclusive communities, expressing resilience, and building bridges.
Produced by award-winning journalist Jen Chien, season two features guests Marvin K. White of GLIDE on the sacred and the profane, activist and writer Kanwalroop Khaur Singh on the bridge from ancestors to activism, and saxophonist and scholar Hafez Modirzadeh on music across cultures.
You’ll also meet sociologist Valerie Francisco-Menchavez show us the strength of transnational families, anthropologist and planner Dr. Destiny Thomas help us build community with joy and dignity, and our dean Malcolm Clemens Young on bridge as a metaphor for change.
“My biggest wish for our community, for the country and for the world, is to begin to reach out across those divides and to get to know people, to understand them and to hear their stories. Bridges are exactly what we need, and the pandemic is another opportunity for us to reach out in new ways to one another.”
-The Very Rev. Dr. Malcolm Clemens Young
Above the Fog was executive produced by Christine Murray.

Kanwalroop Kaur Singh
Unmuted: The Voice of Resilience
Prepare to unmute yourself. In a heartfelt conversation with Jen Chien, Kanwalroop Kaur Singh helps us observe and ….

Hafez Modirzadeh
Music is a Natural Force
In this turbulent historical moment, you’ll be grateful to hear Hafez Modirzadeh and his concept of chromodality….

Marvin K. White
A Journey Into Self
In this turbulent historical moment, you’ll be inspired by Marvin K. White’s personal journey of self discovery….

Valerie Francisco-Menchavez
The Intricacy of Experience
Valerie Francisco-Menchavez describes her journey from Filipino immigrant, undocumented student, to tenured Professor of Sociology at SF State…..

Dr. Destiny Thomas
The Thrivance Method: Dignity-Infused Community Engagement
Hear from Dr. Destiny Thomas, founder of Thrivance Group, about building community frameworks that enable us to thrive together …..

The Very Rev. Dr. Malcolm C. Young
Wave Launcher
The Very Rev. Dr. Malcolm C. Young, offers a calming presence during these anxious times as he expresses his desire to reach out across what divides us….
Get to Know Grace
Grace Cathedral is an Episcopal church and a place of spiritual practice, social justice, music, and the arts. Dr. Martin Luther King shared his call to service in a powerful sermon here in 1965, and the art of Keith Haring is an anchor of our AIDS Chapel.
Social Justice is central to the mission of Grace Cathedral. It’s the work we do to change unjust structures – inequality, racism, sexism, homophobia and all the systems that oppress so many of God’s children. Together we are helping build a more just and loving world.
Season One: Walking (2019)
Written and produced by Catherine Girardeau, and edited by Christine Murray, our inaugural six-episode podcast explores the intersection of walking and spirituality. Guests include San Francisco writer Gary Kamiya, Montana-based writer Antonia Malchik, Dartmouth paleoanthropologist Jerry DeSilva, poet Noemi Sohn, choreographer and Grace Cathedral’s 2019 Artist in Residence Alonzo King, and the cathedral’s dean Malcolm Clemens Young.
Catherine Girardeau is a longtime writer and audio producer. Currently a Managing Producer at Pushkin Industries, she produces Against the Rules, a podcast hosted by bestselling author/journalist Michael Lewis (Moneyball, The Big Short).
Past work includes Above the Fog, a podcast about walking and spirituality made as podcaster in residence at San Francisco’s Grace Cathedral, and Viewpoints: Body Language for the Metropolitan Museum of Art and Spirit of a Native Place for the Smithsonian’s NMAI, both made as Creative Director for her own museum media company, Earprint Productions. She’s also worked as a producer for the public radio program Marketplace, the Stanford Storytelling Project, and Antenna Audio, and as a writer for Depict.com. Her radio features have aired on PRI’s The World, Marketplace, and various podcasts and NPR member stations.